Ruthenia, Cossacks, Independence

For many countries, Ukraine is the state that has existed for the last 30 years. But what is it for Ukrainians? Why is it that the official messages about Ukrainian statehood are dominated by St Vladimir, while pop culture is populated by Cossacks?

Joanna Majewska and Tomasz Hodana also reflect on the problematic legacy of Soviet Ukraine.

The starting point for the conversation is the proposed coat of arms of the Ukrainian state designed by Heorhiy Narbut in 1918.